republicans. and i think there's a little bit of a sense that at this point if biden continues to do this he's undermining that, guys. >> all right. kasie hunt, thank you very much. greatly appreciated. as we go into the debate, right now the debate doesn't look like -- yeah. i don't think people are going to be thrilled to see this. 23 million. soert of the drama is, the conflict is, joe biden, is he going to get into this race and change it, change the dynamic or not? how are you feeling about whether or not joe biden gets in? >> do you think he's going to walk up to the fake podium they have for him? >> no. >> making sure you're not playing into that. >> that's the question over this debate, though. is this the field? are we going to have the vice president step in who is going to defend the president's policies. >> i think we are. the bigger issue, and i'll go back to mark's event. i think the debate tonight will be really under whelming.