companies have to do it would seem to me at the very least, they have to show demonstrably to the people that pay for their services that their own employees aren't essentially using hair information to play. they need to release data are your employees essentially the people that are making a killing on the other rival site? >> and the last point, look, this is not a game of skill. poker requires more skill than doing this. you're just betting on which player might have a good week when a lot of other people are betting on the same player. you're hoping for market inefficiency. calling this a game of skill is like calling a hot dog vegetarian because nobody knows the content of the meat. >> appreciate it, man. >> thank you. and that is "all in" for this even. >> the rachel maddow starts right now with steve kornacki in for rachel. congratulations on your new role here. it's exciting. > and by the way, i hope that scandal you're talking about