1998 in thirston, oregon, which is a community about 110 miles south of where this shooting took place today in springfield, oregon, in fact, and a 16-year-old expelled high school student murdered his parents and then used three different firearms to kill two others and wound 25. so we have this period of 17 years between these mass casualty indents in those local communities and yet here it circles back around again, brian. it's like -- it's like bad air in an airplane or something. starts in the back of the plane and eventually makes its way up front and then it comes all the way to the back again. and the same thing, that student back in 1998, significant mental health problems. traditional he heard voices in his head, thought the cia put a chip in his brain, things like