what you really want to know is what your effective tax rate is, whether it goes up or whether it goes down. yes with be these rates look like they're going to go very low. but if you lose all your deductions, it could not come out in the wash the way you want it to. i agree there are a lot of details to be learned on the plan. >> but this was a big part of this announcement yesterday, was that finally we would hear some details from trump about a policy. when you talk to him about syria, for example, he kind of says let them fight it out, then we pick up the remnants if you want to consider that a specific policy on this. >> but this is pretty fair. look, let's give him his due. i mean this is a reasonable tax plan. this is about as much detail as you get when someone's running for president. we know that it's very clear that if donald trump gets the nomination and is elected president, he is going to take bold steps to make sure that we no longer have the highest corporate tax rate or one of the highest corporate tax rates in the country. by the way, our rate on small