considers russia an equal and you an equal which is the way you want to be treated? >> well, you ask him. he's your president. how could i know what he thinks? >> i find myself thinking of "house of cards" this season. >> was there a little bit of sarcasm in there maybe? >> there was a russian hollywood fictional character came in and the president couldn't get on -- seems like on a personal level, chris, there's not a lot of warmth. >> frosty. what the white house likes to say, official, business-like relationship, doesn't look like any business relationship that i've seen that is in any way productive. having said this, why do you meet with the guy and give him credibility? what he wants, respect. right? that's why he's coming here and doing what he wants. he wants russia, himself to be shown respect.