i'm trying to figure out all the stories all of us in news media did about priest shortage, priest crisis. do you think the first wave that that brought in to the priesthood is out and serving in the field? >> i think so. there still is -- we should say there still is a crisis of numbers in the priesthood. we could probably ordain twice what we're ordaining now to keep up with those that we're retiring and passing away. but the numbers did not plummet. we thought in the wake of the scandal the numbers would plummet but they really didn't. how do you read the tea leaves there? it's a good time for the priesthood. the young guys want to be part of the solution. they are well aware of the problem. as george said very well, for the past 13 years the church has been addressing the sex abuse