not to speak for him, that government should be much more involved in redistribution. what she is favoring is making sure that government works for everybody. it is not about government owning the means of production. >> you're up there with the guy. what does he mean when he is a social snift. >> he means he is a progressive democrat. he doesn't like either party because he thinks both parties are beholden to corporate interests, which there's some truth to. but i don't think he is much more of a socialist than anybody in europe is. he is a left wing democrat. a progressive. he is very independent. >> is that the same thing to you? >> yeah. >> is that the same thing to you? >> from a working perspective, yes. there are no more socialists in europe left. even the french socialist party isn't there according to the dictionary meaning but bernie can call himself whatever he wants. new labor tried to be old labor in britain and it didn't go anywhere. any way, thank you. i'm joined now by the afl-cio