people who already hate her don't like her any more, hate her any more because of this issue. it's just the democrats don't care about it and republicans do care about it and it's the way we would expect these camps to respond to this scandal. >> eli, listening to olivia right there, though, the latest "washington post" story about her family paying the staffer who's pleading the fifth about maintaining the personal e-mail server, does that change the equation at all? anything there? >> well, this has been a drip, drip, drip and that's another pretty large drip. anybody saying "i'm taking the fifth" when people hear that they say "they're hiding something." the larger sense that hillary clinton is hiding something, even as i can knonnocuous as mo these e-mails were, she said she didn't think about it but they were paying someone out of their own pockets to make sure they didn't cross lines with the taxpayer dollars, they thought about a little bit in terms of that. so it's difficult. you hear hillary clinton say