it's a real lesson. it's in high schools. this is a prep high school. elite. $56,000 a year tuition. i think the message is our institutions, high schools, colleges, need to look at rape seriously. make sure the culture is right. protect our kids. i think it's a huge message. huge high profile interest in this case and i think it will continue. >> do you think even the way the criminal case came out, is there grounds for a civil case against st. paul es in any way, does st. paul's hold responsibility? >> you know i think they talked about suing the school for that culture that they maintained. even the counselors knew about it. it was pervasive. and if they are letting this go on, putting girls names if they are number one, two, et cetera, and it's something that everybody knows about and participates in the school might well have liability. but that's a tough, tough row to hoe. >> ann, thanks so much. good to see you. katrina ten years later.