testing. everybody sees common core as testing. >> those two have been -- this is key, right? because you've defended common core, your union endorsed it, it was part of the coalition that put it together. >> absolutely. >> there has been a huge grass-roots movement against common core. >> right. >> teachers in upstate new york, lefties, righties, across the political spectrum, christian, secular, donald trump. >> right. because what happened was common core -- and if you look at the polling for the last three years, people were willing to try it because it was supposed to be about high standards. it was supposed to be about critical thinking. it was supposed to be about helping kids develop resiliency. but when the first thing that happens is test, test, test, test -- >> and you are told as a parent this is a common core test. >> and then you're told that if you're in new york that the teachers can't talk about the test because there's a gag order foryou're in new jersey and a kid tweeted about the test, the kid was about to be expelled because he tweeted about the