and i was still taken by the three things about him i've always known. he is particular. lots of information. he is very honest. and he is really gutsy whenever you think of his politics. >> i tend to see these things as hypochondriac through my own lenls. if it was me, how i would treat it? i'm amazed by the ability to be magnanimous, honest, have candor and be able to say, which is an awesome thing to say if you're 90 years old or 39 years old, to say, look. i've lived a really great life. i lived a life that i probably, he didn't say this but i'm sure, a life that i never thought i would be able to live. the whole thing was peanut farmer from georgia elected president. the guy started an amazing philanthropic humanitarian center at the carter center. that ability to contextualize news that is devastating for almost any of us into a brard context is really, i thought -- >> you hit the nail.