happened yet. we just know that they did not respond to air traffic control calls and this is obviously something that the investigators will look at. >> in terms of detail, those 54 people, 44 adults, 5 children and 5 crew members. john, we know the area to be very, very remote. it is jungle like. in fact, apparently there was not even a weather observation tower at the destination point. what do you think of that? >> well, i will be very surprised if there was not some observer that the pilots could talk to. there may not be a formal air traffic control tower there but my experience is someone with the airlines will have qualified as a weather observer and pilots can talk to them and get the exact conditions at the landing airport. >> let's talk about trigana airlines, what we know about it, john. you have to note from 2007 to