and that's not the case. these -- my heart aches for some of these youngsters you see come in here, 21, 22 years old that are facing life sentences because of a stupid mistake. i mean, you just wonder how is this 22-year-old kid going to get through to age 65, 70, 75, 80, and this is it. i mean there's no more than this. this is all there is for him. i mean you can't help but have some empathy for that guy. >> how is your shoulder doing today? >> it's a little sore. i got it out of the sling, trying to get -- gets too stiff if i leave it in there all the time. >> for all of these years, for 26 years in law enforcement, you know, i've got a very good friend of mine who is a retired captain. we write. and i was telling him it's like that whole point in my life has been for naught because they took my retirement badge, my retirement i.d. card, i used to win gold medals at the police olympics all the time and those are gone. it just -- it guts you is what