and gary johnson got on the ballot in ohio. the same thing with john anderson in 1980. he stayed a republican. he listed himself in the congressional republican. that doesn't pertain to presidential candidates. >> so what do you think is the leverage here? do you think he can play this out in a dual way in multiple states? >> i do. don't forget ralph nader in 2008 got on the ballot in 45 states. and he is not a really wealthy person. i think he's comfortable but not wealthy. 1988 the new alliance party presidential candidate got on the ballot in all 50 states. perot did it without even having to go to court in 1992. >> how early -- several of those