of national decline. if i can tap into that, that can compete with the anti-passion surrounding him. >> well, it is just -- it is one of these things, it's fun and frustrating to follow at the same time. is that wrong? >> it's right. scott walker tapped into what david just talked about when he talked about polling, nato and the need to get more troops on the front line with russia. and rubio does it, too. that's where the party needs to stay. i don't know that donald trump can go there. he doesn't have that background, he doesn't have that factual ability that the others bring to the table. >> what do you make of carly fiorina? >> i think she was the standout in the first debate and i think she deserves to be. i think she has great debating skills and a lot of confidence. do i think she's right on policy? do i think she's going to able to really change what is the big achilles heel for the right which is their economic position? >> is it as easy to attack hillary clinton than the men? >> we'll have to see.