>> both. only scott walker brought up hillary clinton's server. i thought what he did was to build the audience, it was enormous. at the same time, i wanted a different issue set talked to. the republican primary voter lost in that. carly fiorina won big time. walker, kasich. rubio. but the loser was the gop. >> what can damage donald trump though, andrea? potential conventional gravity doesn't apply to him? >> he has teflon. if not this, what? i mean, gender, what could be more important? 53% of the voters, you drill down on what women care about, what women want. it's insulting. it's rude. he attacks a very popular -- the most popular star on cable tv. >> and conservatives love her. this is where -- this is why some people think this is the straw. he's insulting someone the conservatives have really fallen for. >> the circus goes on. as hugh says, the real issues --