from the yard. >> these are actually pieces of our building, aluminum louvers that were in our ventilation system. and so the inmates found out they can get them out pretty easy and sharpen them up. basically, they'll put toothpaste on the cement and just work it across like you would with a knife on a stone or anything like that. >> they're like animals in there. every day. if i do something to you, what's the worst they can do to me? give me some more time? i'm a lifer. >> in the same uinta complex, the state of utah houses those inmates whom its courts have condemned to die. >> we don't have a lot of violence in there. we don't have a lot of negative events. you can either do good time or you can do hard time. our inmates on death row, they have elected to do good time. >> there are fewer than a dozen men on utah's death row at various levels of appeal. ralph menzies has been there for 17 years. >> ralph's crime was a brutal one.