puzzling when we learned some of what he endured during his 30 plus years of incarceration. >> i was not born gay. every relationship i've had has been a forced type -- well, this is what i have to do type thing. but i didn't enjoy it. as a younger prisoner, i would be made fun of quite a lot because the lord gave me a big butt. i decided to turn it around and so i would say to them, hey, i have a nice one, wow. and it became a defense mechanism, because in prison, in this environment especially, if a person makes himself so easy, then those who prey on him don't -- it's too easy. it's no longer a challenge to them, so they leave him alone. >> the day after that interview, we met ziggy and higgins as they prepared to enter the disciplinary hearing.