then all of a sudden in 2008 and 2012 it became relevant. but some of bernie sanders ideas have started to really be more the mainstream of the democratic party. he just has been saying it and now the spotlight is on him. i'm still stunned. you mentioned the guy raised $15 million. second most money raised for a campaign committee of anyone in the race. raised more money than jeb bush. >> i'm not stunned. but i agree we should be talking about it more. go ahead. >> this happens every presidential cycle on the democratic side. there is someone who is populous or has that message. go back to '84 and '88. you can find someone challenging the front runner from hart to jackson to the howard dean. so this is not uncommon. the question will become once bernie sanders, the record is examined and ideas are examined i think john touched on eded on an enormous point. it will be interesting to see