you are spending every taxpayer hundreds of unnecessary dollars as is shown by states reducing the prison populations and reducing crime. we're wasting hundreds and hundreds of dollars. in fact at a time that our roads and bridges are crumbling crumbling -- between 1995 and 2006 alone, we were building a new prison in this country every ten days. the system is way out of whack. people are getting disproportionate sentences to their crime, wasting their potential and it's having a profound impact a generational impact on our country. american poverty would be 20% less if we had an incarceration system that was on line with our industrial peers. >> from 1980 to 2004, would have been 20% lower if not for this mass incarceration, what you call an economically crippling collateral consequences here. the president calls it a broken system. besides infrastructure and the poverty, what are the stories you're hearing from the people in your communities in new jersey? >> most people don't understand