if that case may be how do they differ from each other? they're both battling to be the straight talk candidate, aren't they, on the right? >> that's right. there's going to be a lot of competition right now for the same parts of the field right now. there is going to be a lot of people battling for the social conservative candidate, for the street talker for the moderate for the libertarian just because there are so many candidates running at once. i think the big challenge you'll see, and it's going to get more and more intense as advertising money starts flowing in as people get on the stage together, but the challenge is going to be how do you distinguish yourself when people are really gunning for the exact same position as you within the party, within the field? >> is it 14 now? we've got a lot to watch, all three of us for the next couple of months at least. thank you very much. i appreciate both your time. political journal's erin pike