the communities where we've been searching. you know, we know that it's very intrusive to have -- [ cheers and applause ] >> update from the governor and law enforcement about the situation in upstate new york basically confirming what we already know -- richard matt has been killed by law enforcement. david sweat remains at large, although law enforcement officials believe they have an area. they will continue to search for him, and if we get any more news about that search we will of course, bring it to you here live. when we come back msnbc national correspondent joy reid and kenji yoshino, who literally wrote one of the books on gay marriage. stick around.