like sand town and neighboring communities here in cleveland, really deprived and stole millions of dollars of wealth out of our cities and our urban core which were already needed and in the midst of that while we fight for individual institutional justice, when we think about individual justice for those families that are struggling with losses due to violence that they experience every day. the personal tragedies and so for all of us whether we're serving in city councils whether we're serving in churches we've got to begin to look at violence in a very total and comprehensive way because when we do that we realize that there are root causes to some of the individual acts that we see and many of them are institutional. >> commissioner, i'm sorry, commissioner boynton, gun violence. >> how are you, reverend? >> to stop in chicago. we've had a lot of issues. i even moved into an apartment on the west side. we worked with our group there and around the country. you're pushing tougher penalties and more policing but you also