like in illinois politics? obviously illinois politics can be a bit of a cesspool. there's -- you could line up quite a perp walk of illinois politicians. what was hastert's political reputation? >> first context, chris, illinois is regarded as the third most corrupt state in the nation, chicago the most corrupt city. denny hastert comes out of what's called the illinois combine. the combine was republicans and democrats who controlled the political structure and it was a mix of business and contractors and politicians, all of whom seemed to do extraordinarily well within the political confines. remember, denny hastert spent four years in the illinois house as a representative, then a number of years in congress. and he, as speaker, was one of the key figures in the illinois combine, a combine that basically takes care of contractors and business people and politicians. so he is not stranger to the