into iraq and saddam hussein would not be -- saddam hussein would still be there, isis would not. if we does notid not pull out of iraq the way we did, if you'd just gone george w. bush or dick cheney's way isis would not be there because that void would have never been created. the argument you could make is if you're a republican that the wall street journal did make is that it was hillary clinton people like hillary clinton that were wrong both times, that were wrong saying let's go into iraq and then let's leave iraq quickly that created the first void. and then after order was brought, which dexter filkins and everybody else says was in 2008 and 2009 pulling out created a new void that did create the environment for isis. so hillary was wrong on iraq twice. i think that's the argument certainly that republicans would make, that i would make.