challenges when it comes to the relationship between the police and the community, but the horror stories in cleveland would be the worst thing that had ever happened in any other city and there are about six or seven of them just in recent years that are as bad as anything that you hear anywhere else in country. do you have a basic understanding of what's been so wrong in cleveland? >> so certainly we have, as the consent decree shows, a pattern in practice of excessive use of force. certainly there's also a culture where the police department has not really been connected with the community. so we've arrived here today with that problem. certainly hoping to move forward. it's our time to really bring about change. >> greater cleveland congregations, congregations like yours, churches and faith communities have made themselves very visible in terms of this