well doesn't argue that we shouldn't go back in on one of the central flaws i think of the decision back in 2003 was the sense that if we simply went in and deposed a dictator or simply went in and cleared out the bad guys, that somehow, peace and prosperity would automatically emerge. and that that lesson, we should have learned a long time ago. i'll get back to you, michael, because that seems to be his argument, is the one you made a moment ago, which is this idea that somehow, it would be like the overthrowing of those governments in eastern europe, like the cold war, that all of a sudden there would be a blooming of democracy and a better country overall. >> of course, in eastern europe, the revolutions were typically a lot more peaceful, a lot more political, and they were in countries that had stronger institutions that were undergirding the society. i do share some of the criticism of president obama's decision in 2011, but i think it's a much lower magnitude mistake than to go into iraq in 2003 with no significant preparation. and by 2011, there was reason to hope that the iraqis themselves