republicans and democrats in kentucky. he's a democrat from the rural area. conway is a city republican. remember rand paul blew him out in 2010. >> where was kentucky in the civil war? >> it stayed in the union, but it -- it stayed in the union and there was heavy battling and a lot of con federates. to get elected as a democrat it's hard to be from the city. it's hard to be a graduate from duke university. bill clinton carried the partieses a couple times. the appalachian areas, west virginia, those kind of places were democrat. not when we were growing up recently. >> you know what they're going to use a lot, barack obama. >> i wonder why. >> you wonder why. >> howard fineman, thank you. great roundtable tonight. we talked about everything from cock fightinged to serious