if that is not a study in contrast -- rand paul is literally slumped back in the chair, giving what we said, the real talk. marco rubio, does it need to be this hard for him? >> this totally upends what conventional wisdom was two months ago covering the republican primary which is that it's a hawk's game here. basically the republican voters really want to go to war. they're missed off about isis. that was wrong then. the conservative grass roots really is not itching for war. maybe they feel more scared. but marco rubio -- he has this new slogan out there saying like nothing matters if you're not safe. they're trying to actually go zell miller on us in 2015. that's not going to work. that's not where america is right now. it's interesting to watch republicans have to fight over the iraq war. >> i want to unpack why rubio couldn't just do what lindsey graham did, which is yeah, we shouldn't have done that. i think what that does, mckay