like mine. >> talk to me a little bit. your unprison project has that big goal of moving away from incarceration as a solution to public health problems and other issues that are particularly impactful for women. in the meantime you have partnered to talk about the possibility of mothering and parenting by reading. talk to me about that. >> i have learned -- i have kids myself and one of the early things we do with kids is read books. many of the visiting rooms and nurseries have dog eared books. it's not rocket science. i partnered with the children's book council and they put together their member publishers. we have hundreds of books that i hopefully will deliver in person. it's bonding for the mother and child. it's teaching literacy. i think education is the way out of that rut. that is one of the ways out.