hawks in israel and the hawks in saudi arabia. their biggest fear is that somehow iran will settle down, it will become a regular country, but powerful country. and it's in their interests that iran not become a powerful country, even if it's tamed. they don't want it to be powerful. they want us to be at war with iran and they want to try to destroy iran. tell me why that doesn't -- putin isn't any more afraid of an iran-american friendship than he is of a nuclear-armed iran. doesn't he fear most that? don't the saudis fear that? they're afraid of an older iran like the shah when we did get along with them? am i being an extremists in my thinking here? >> i don't know. >> because i think they're out for real troubles, the enemies of this deal. >> there may be some who believe that. i'm not sure that all do. one of the ironies of this situation is in the middle east there are so many overlapping, contradictory conflicts that you can't see what will happen if there is an outbreak of violence. that's why it's so important, i believe, for israel and the