accusation was made and have to take action. >> if we look at uva, where of course that famous rolling stones article came out, completely debunked. >> that didn't really happen. >> but if you look more broadly at uva, they have not in the past decade expelled a single student for rape. even instances where they admitted to the rape. by and large, we have the opposite problem. not schools going too far, we have schools doing too little. >> well i could tell you a case at duke university involving a guy named louis mccloud. >> let's not talk about anecdotes. let's talk about overall statistics. you could find anna edward anecdote to support anything. >> there was a period of time none of these cases were reported and now a period of time these are reported much more often, probably not often enough and yet sometimes, believe it or not, people are being expelled who maybe shouldn't be expelled. that doesn't mean --