followed him into prison. a week and a half before he went to prison and just -- it was to watch a man break was really something else. but on thor end you say to yourself, okay there's lots of crime that goes on in this world. whether it's drug or violent crime, should these people be treated any differently? and they are, they are nonviolent offenders in with drug -- often times drug dealers or people with drug offenses. and the other flip side you talk about what's going on in baltimore right now, one of the big issues when they go in even white collar guys talk about getting thuged out. there's no rehab going on in the prisons. that was one of the sad lessons. whatever you think of them being there or not, the rehab element -- one guy joe nach yoe, he really -- as a whole different dynamic with a guy like that. >> you talked to a variety of white collar criminals and there