for a bunch of reasons that have to do with ideology, culture and economic interests. >> i also want to zoom in on this. we're talking about two elections here, donors and voters. big money as a general rule favors comprehensive immigration reform. the chamber of commerce, for instance, probably the big-money donors that comprise the republican establishment and favor it. i feel like that's a weak preference, honestly. i feel like they, sure, if they could wave a magic wand in the world of the future they'd like to see it but it doesn't seem to be disqualifying when people are against it. scott walker has basically flip-flopped on this and still seems to be in the driver's seat in terms of the kochs. >> it's definitely not a litmus test issue. >> that's my point. right. >> remember, mitt romney, in 2012, absolutely was the avatar for kind of the moneyed, pro business class. he was incredibly conservative on immigration. not in favor of immigration. it's definitely not a litmus test issue.