in the colombia free trade deal, colombia makes a donation to the clinton foundation, the secretary pushes for a colombia free trade agreement. >> right. >> that seems pretty ridiculous on its face because the colombia free trade agreement is already a policy priority. it's going to happen independent. >> exactly. >> what does seem clear, though, is there is a lot of money going into the clinton foundation. there are a lot of people who have interests before the state department who are donating, right? and given what hillary clinton was walking into, shouldn't there have been unbelievable care taken to put firewalls, to have ethics lawyers flagging stuff, to say to voluntarily, proactively disclose, to point out possible conflicts of interest? >> well, look, they raise $2 billion. and there is no evidence that any -- yet of any criminal wrong doing, anything that -- >> there is a standard below criminal wrong doing. there is a standard of the perception of conflict of interests. >> no. that's not where this goes. fox news wants a federal investigators today. this is part of the larger plot. always, always, always. it's always based on