around, and so, i would say to them, say, i got a nice one, ain't i? wow. and it became a defense mechanism because in prison in this environment especially if a person makes himself so easy then those who prey on him don't -- it's too easy. it's no longer a challenge to them, so they leave him alone. >> the day after that interview, we met ziggy and higgins as they prepared to enter the disciplinary hearing. >> i'm anxious. i'm uncertain, but i've got confidence in my inmate adviser to bring out whatever and the best defense that i could have. >> higgins is basing ziggy's defense on a loophole having to do with his prior participation in a substance abuse program, but ziggy's fate rests in the judgment of the disciplinary board chairman, lieutenant tommy vance. >> mr. hall is charged with refusing or attempting to alter