finding characteristics of the time we live in. not just in political institution, but very nearly every institution in the country, and so when you look at hillary clinton with this particular issue, the rules regarding the e-mail are unambiguous. like a traffic light. red and green mean something very specific. not very difficult to understand. and clearly her approach is that i'm too big to fail. >> right. >> it doesn't matter. there is no consequence to me. willfully, premeditatively, breaking the rules on this. and, in fact there won't be an electoral consequence to it. but i think the issue that voters will focus on it is a person with that personality quality. >> right. >> do you want to make that person the most powerful in the world? >> but that person vs. whom? and that's always the question. >> we shall see. >> they seem to like her