hillary during the primary campaigns and that is in part because well there had been another president clinton. and so i think we have to separate out the question of whether or not referring to women candidates by their first names might be an act of sexism that reinforces gender stereotypes, probably true. it's true candidates sometimes self-brand in ways we have to respect that self-branding. in 2008 she was actively self-describing in all of the campaign materials were hillary. we'll have to see what she does in this election. >> a question of i mean there's a question of confusion. because there are two clintons in public life it's easier -- >> one was the whole president, not just public life. the whole president. >> the whole president. >> one was the whole president. >> and then the question of her titles. i think, you know, we are -- we tend to refer to governor bush governor huntsman governors, governors, get those honors. >> i don't think they should though. >> i mean i do think -- i think