guess what? they actually oh my gosh they debated them and didn't have a camera on the floor to grand stand. cameras are a bad idea. we've got 100 men and women that are electsed by the people, and all they do is talk to the cameras and not to each other. let's turn the cameras off. >> would the supreme court be better with cameras? >> yes, it's different. there is the problem in the house and the senate that they blab on for home consumption and they've stopped talking to each other. now, that's a matter of their will. they could talk to each other. the court has a set formula of what they do and that will never change. so what's happening now is people who can pay to come or spend the time to come to get 200 seats, that's all there are for the public do so so money changes hands, but the regular public doesn't see what the supreme court's doing, and they should. >> that's interesting. >> and you talk about the importance of finding the right balance here because the conversation, it seems, has shifted very much to just