nuclear weapons but the regime that would wield them. it's not just the iranian regime writ large. it's the guard corps that would have command of the control. >> you have a plan for regime change in iran? >> why is it, gene, that liberals and european greens all over the world support organized laker but refuse to support iranian trade unions, for example? >> okay. here we go. i invited you to give your views. do you think we're going to end up having to bomb them? >> no. >> what will we end up doing? >> i think we'll have to use economic coercion. iranians can't make payroll with oil going down. >> how do we do this -- >> the saudis are doing it for us because we forfeited our leadership chris. >> so -- >> what about the oil narcotic? >> you're so fast here. the saudis are going to bring down the iranian leadership? >> the saudis are going to bring down the iranian economy because they have more strategically than the obama administration. >> what do we have to do to make it work then? >> leading from behind ain't the place to start. comprehensive strategy, chris, what you want to do is undercut the iranian economy so they can't make payroll --