journalists in particular, and you can say this sort of goes in the line between opinion and advocacy that's a fair assess assessment here they have been to be clearly xleer with readers. >> dealing with the fraternity and the school they were almost trying to avoid -- this is the cynic in me right? trying to avoid enough information out of the school or frat could have used to knock down the story before it was published which i find really troubling. >> media outlets are competitive. "the washington post" and other publications had started to raise questions, university of virginia prior to publication according to what erdely told me because what they were talking about among themselves. at the same point that's not truly a journalistic value. the question of trying to protect somebody they view -- they think is rightly a rape survivor is not a value that can trump your journalistic need to be sure you know what you're publishing is true and right. >> pr's david, thank you very much. nice to meet you. coming up live to