seeing inside what was happening. in fact, not having a relationship with iran not talking about this with iran has allowed iran's number of centrifuges to skyrocket to as you said 19,000. there was a time right after 9/11 when the then-president had offered president george bush that he would limit the number of centrifuges to just over 100. less than 200 centrifuges. at that time he was not -- iran was part of the axis of evil and that was not possible. now iran is up to 19,000. so having this conversation bringing it down to 6100 is a very important development. >> you make a great point there and a huge distinction when it comes to any type of relationship as the foreign minister pointed out about engagement, diplomacy being so important here. ann curry reporting for us there in switzerland. ann, thank you. as we talk about inspections and transparency, i want to bring in