exchange program to operate for 30 days. is that long enough to slow what he calls a public health emergency. i want to dig into this with beth meyerson assistant professor of health policy and management. when the governor announced this needle exchange program, you actually tweeted 30-day needle exchange without real public health systems resources is irresponsible. looks like political expediency trumps public health once again. so you think this was just a political move in this moment? >> i wish it were not, melissa, but afraid it is because the announcement occurred -- actually the legislature knew about the announcement the day before during a hearing of the public health committee. representative ed clear who chairs the committee and others were bringing forth the needle exchange policy for the entire state and representative from the governor basically said hey, we're going to put this on the table but it will only be