switch is in the right position to allow entry into the cockpit from the cabin. and that switch not being in the right position would mean there's nothing you can do. that door is bulletproof. you can't kick it down you can't knock it down you can't wish it down. it's got to have the right configuration, or no entry at all. >> jim tillmon, very clarifying to have you here tonight. thank you very much. >> my pleasure. >> joining us is jim hall the former chairman of the national transportation safety board. thank you for being with us tonight. >> glad to be with you, rachel. >> i guess i would just ask basically your reaction to these latest reported details from "the new york times," and what captain tilmon just said there, in terms of what that might indicate of what happened in this crash. >> well rachel if the information is correct, it's most unfortunate. we had a situation while i was chairman of the ntsb which it