wouldn't be having this discussion right now. >> it's very simple. and we've got to stop helping the clinton parse this. those are government e-mails. the government are supposed to decide which are truly private, if she chooses to put private e-mail on a government account, then the government decides which ones are private. and she's the one who started this by putting them in a government account. >> ron, that's not correct. >> it is correct. >> the manual says that each employee including hillary clinton, decides which are personal and which are federal, and they can delete the personal ones. that's in the manual. >> willie? >> but you know what the problem with the manual sir? that manual applies to e-mails that have been stored legally, correctly, on a government server. >> stop guys. >> if you're doing it illegally and set up your own home server that doesn't apply. that applies if it's stored according to the 2009 regulation in the state department. >> just so we have clarity on this, i want to read october 2nd 2009 okay?