fighters going in and out of europe into syria. and there's no strategy for syria at the moment beyond isis. >> and you said what is the obama plan. at the very beginning, the president said one of the most important things we can do is to find representation for the sunnis in baghdad, to find an alternative narrative for the sunnis. >> i agree. >> in other parts of iraq and we haven't done it. the baghdad government hasn't stepped up to it. they've moved closer to iran. this is the critical thing in the whole region because isis isn't the problem, violent extremism is the problem. you need moderate sunni stabilizing alternatives in these places. you've got to build these grassroots organizations from the ground up. it's tough, but i don't see any progress. i don't know if you see progress. >> i don't see any progress. the growing narrative is that sunnis are the victims, and we've gone from shia victimhood to sunni victimhood and we're stuck in a cycle. >> thank you so much for your expertise.