left and banks into that berm and nearly into flushing bay. a very close call indeed. >> we don't know what caused the plane to lose control. >> we don't. we know the plane was coming in from atlanta. probably at somewhere around 150 miles per hour or so maybe a bit more or less but that's normal, but it is coming in on a runway that is notoriously short. in other words, anybody coming into laguardia knows this is a challenging airport and challenging runways in the best of conditions. if you're coming in in a snow type of environment, it's slick, it's wet, it is slippery. that could be very dangerous. you've got to be at your a-game. where did they touch down on the runway will be a question what was their speed? how did the braking go? what about the thrust reversers? those are devices almost like pots or half-clams, if you will that fit over the engines that reverses the thrust of the