limited but then of course the runway condition is an issue. and from what i see in the photograph it looks like the plane is at the far end of the runway and the nose is up on the that bank that's -- that keeps the water from going on the runway, is that -- is what you can tell the plane at the end of the runway tom, you'reit's difficult from us to see exactly from this one image we've been provided. >> as far as i know that's the only thing i can identify at laguardia, that enbankment they have it looks like the plane didn't get stopped. and it probably hit at a very low speed because you can tell there's no buckling of the fuselage so the plane is pretty much except the nose gear being