and hillary clinton using private e-mails shares that in common with every other secretary of state we've had. i would rather see hillary clinton get angry about the stuff that elizabeth warren is accused of getting angry about. >> but midwin these e-mails are not secure. >> right. so to me what maybe this the most interesting thing, controversy or not, she was the secretary of state. this is a woman who was responsible for matters of national security, so the idea this notion that her e-mails were you know not -- >> easily hackable. >> easily hackable. anyone who has a job, right, and you do your work during that job, you have to i don't company e-mails for a reason. one it's a more secure network, but also to preserve the record. so one of the biggest concerns here that i see is this is a secretary of state who's respond for very, very serious issues of