might lie beyond putin. there are dark forces in this society. what we saw was the russian knight of vladimir putin darken concernably with this murder. one of the leading american russian experts who i encountered friday night just after we learned of this man's death was trembling and saying to me almost imploring, david, don't you see what could be next? there are people out there who will take russia back 200 years. i think there's concern about that. we just don't know what's over in next hill in russia. >> all right, david, your concept on this joe? i'm not speculating. >> i got to say. and david remembers very well 1989, 1990 1991 you had russia, just explain to people who don't remember and saying how could you say there might be something worse than vladimir putin. before the soviet union broke up for the five years after, they